Quote from Alan Kotok's Oral History concering the development of a chess program under John McCarthy at MIT:
So there were a total of five people. There was the initial four were, besides me, Charles Niessen, Chuck Niessen, whose these days is some sort of director over at Lincoln Lab. And Mike Lieberman, who is on the faculty at Berkeley. And Elwyn Berlekamp, who is also Berkeley faculty, and fairly famous computer game theory person. Elwyn dropped out of this project at some point, and Bob Wagner, another so these were all sort of East Campus Model Railroad Club friends - and Bob Wagner is at, I think, University of North Carolina - what’s in Raleigh-Durham?