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==1994==
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/79a6da1235df64e7# 11 tactical positions computers can't solve] by [[Marc-François Baudot]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 11, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/79a6da1235df64e7# 11 tactical positions computers can't solve] by [[Marc-François Baudot]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 11, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/90b656d5218b1ed3# Pierre Nolot's solutions to the 11 positions] by [[Marc-François Baudot]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 29, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/90b656d5218b1ed3# Pierre Nolot's solutions to the 11 positions] by [[Marc-François Baudot]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 29, 1994
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/a5e8ec975daa956a# Nolot's test vs. Spector] by [[Steven Edwards]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 29, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/a5e8ec975daa956a# Nolot's test vs. Spector] by [[Steven Edwards]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]], July 29, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/eecc575a7e25fdd3# A second look at the Nolot positions] by [[Feng-hsiung Hsu]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]] August 2, 1994
 
* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess/browse_frm/thread/eecc575a7e25fdd3# A second look at the Nolot positions] by [[Feng-hsiung Hsu]], [[Computer Chess Forums|rec.games.chess]] August 2, 1994
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* [https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php?id=88032 Nolot Bxh7 and deep thought/deep blue] by [[Vincent Diepeveen]], [[CCC]], January 12, 2000
 
* [https://www.stmintz.com/ccc/index.php?id=88032 Nolot Bxh7 and deep thought/deep blue] by [[Vincent Diepeveen]], [[CCC]], January 12, 2000
 
* [http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23157 Rybka in the nolot suite] by [[Uri Blass]], [[CCC]],  August 21, 2008 » [[Rybka]]
 
* [http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23157 Rybka in the nolot suite] by [[Uri Blass]], [[CCC]],  August 21, 2008 » [[Rybka]]
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* [http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=37144 nolot number 3 again] by [[Uri Blass]], [[CCC]], December 18, 2010
 
* [http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66401 ThrowBack Tuesday - Nolot 11] by [[Michael Byrne|Michael B]], [[CCC]], January 24, 2018
 
* [http://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66401 ThrowBack Tuesday - Nolot 11] by [[Michael Byrne|Michael B]], [[CCC]], January 24, 2018
  

Latest revision as of 14:41, 6 July 2019

Home * Engine Testing * Test-Positions * The Nolot Suite

A test-suite created by Pierre Nolot, in 1994 introduced by Marc-François Baudot [1] [2] in rec.games.chess.

Discussion and Results

The suite was widely discussed in the news groups by Feng-hsiung Hsu [3] [4], Steven Edwards [5] [6] and others.

Bruce's Analysis

Bruce Moreland made an analysis of those hard positions [7] : The suite contains eleven positions:

Nolot #1 bm Nxh6 Nolot #2 bm Rxc5 Nolot #3 bm Nxg5
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♙♙  ♔  ♙
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♙♙    ♙♙
♖ ♗♕♔  ♖
This one seems to work, but I don't think that anyone has ever gotten a big score. This one is correct, but whether or not you find it could be a matter of luck. You might start out with a negative score, but you should get a score of +3 or so if you search long enough. I don't think that anyone has ever solved this one.
Nolot #4 bm Nxe6 Nolot #5 bm e5 Nolot #6 bm ... axb
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♜♞♝♛♚  ♜
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♕♙♙ ♙ ♞ 
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♖ ♗  ♗ ♖
This one also seems to work, but I don't know that anyone has gotten a big score. Deep Thought got > +3 in four hours. I've gotten +5 in 93 hours. So this one is correct and extremely difficult. I don't think that anyone has ever solved this.
Nolot #7 bm Rxd8 Nolot #8 bm Bxh7 Nolot #9 bm Ng5
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This one is hard but works. I've gotten +2 in 37 hours. Hsu expresses doubt about this one, but mine returned a score of +1 after a day. I don't know whether the key move wins or not. I don't think that anyone has ever found the key.
Nolot #10 bm Rxf7 Nolot #11 bm Rxh6
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♜ ♝   ♚ 
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This one is easy. Rxf7 should come back at +1 pretty quickly. I don't know if anyone has done better than this. This one seems to be pretty easy to find, with a draw score or a score that is a little positive or negative, depending upon the program.
So 3, 6, and 9 are monsters and remain unsolved, if they aren't actually broken.
1, 4, and 10 are solvable, but the scores haven't been convincing yet.
11 is also findable, but it seems that the best result is a draw, so don't expect a big positive score.
8 is also solvable, but it might be found due to speculation.
2, 5, and 7 are known to be findable as wins.

EPD

The Nolot Suite as EPD records:

r3qb1k/1b4p1/p2pr2p/3n4/Pnp1N1N1/6RP/1B3PP1/1B1QR1K1 w - - bm Nxh6; id "Position 1";
r4rk1/pp1n1p1p/1nqP2p1/2b1P1B1/4NQ2/1B3P2/PP2K2P/2R5 w - - bm Rxc5; id "Position 2";
r2qk2r/ppp1b1pp/2n1p3/3pP1n1/3P2b1/2PB1NN1/PP4PP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - bm Nxg5; id "Position 3";
r1b1kb1r/1p1n1ppp/p2ppn2/6BB/2qNP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w kq - bm Nxe6; id "Position 4";
r2qrb1k/1p1b2p1/p2ppn1p/8/3NP3/1BN5/PPP3QP/1K3RR1 w - - bm e5; id "Position 5";
rnbqk2r/1p3ppp/p7/1NpPp3/QPP1P1n1/P4N2/4KbPP/R1B2B1R b kq - bm axb5; id "Position 6";
1r1bk2r/2R2ppp/p3p3/1b2P2q/4QP2/4N3/1B4PP/3R2K1 w k - bm Rxd8+; id "Position 7";
r3rbk1/ppq2ppp/2b1pB2/8/6Q1/1P1B3P/P1P2PP1/R2R2K1 w - - bm Bxh7+; id "Position 8";
r4r1k/4bppb/2n1p2p/p1n1P3/1p1p1BNP/3P1NP1/qP2QPB1/2RR2K1 w - - bm Ng5; id "Position 9";
r1b2rk1/1p1nbppp/pq1p4/3B4/P2NP3/2N1p3/1PP3PP/R2Q1R1K w - - bm Rxf7; id "Position 10";
r1b3k1/p2p1nP1/2pqr1Rp/1p2p2P/2B1PnQ1/1P6/P1PP4/1K4R1 w - - bm Rxh6; id "Position 11";

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